Gender survey thingy

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Are you male or female (or other)?

Female
1
1%
Male
70
90%
Other
7
9%
 
Total votes: 78

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Re: Gender survey thingy

Post by jjmafiae » Thu Feb 06, 2014 7:41 pm

Jeeper wrote:Not necessarily. There have been countless amounts of studies that show that a good balanced mix of women and men is far superior to only men or only women.
5+ here!

2% women is not something we should be proud of, This is worse than I thought.

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Re: Gender survey thingy

Post by Azhukar » Thu Feb 06, 2014 7:53 pm

Jeeper wrote:There have been countless amounts of studies

What studies?
Jeeper wrote:that show that a good balanced mix of women and men is far superior to only men or only women.
Superior in what?
jjmafiae wrote:2% women is not something we should be proud of, This is worse than I thought.
It's nothing to be ashamed of either, it is neither bad nor good.

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Re: Gender survey thingy

Post by jjmafiae » Thu Feb 06, 2014 8:53 pm

Azhükär wrote:It's nothing to be ashamed of either, it is neither bad nor good.
It is, we should at least have 15% percent women or more.

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Re: Gender survey thingy

Post by Azhukar » Thu Feb 06, 2014 9:08 pm

jjmafiae wrote:It is
I don't feel any shame for something that I had not done. Should I be ashamed that more females do not take up programming and simultaneously visit this particular forum?
jjmafiae wrote:we should at least have 15% percent women or more.
Why?

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Re: Gender survey thingy

Post by Sheepolution » Thu Feb 06, 2014 9:54 pm

Azhukar wrote:
jjmafiae wrote:we should at least have 15% percent women or more.
Why?
+1. Is it important for us to get as close to equal in gender in our community? If so, repeating Azhukar's question: Why?

But even so, what could we do about it? Changing our library names? Come on. Imagine you're a women (or try to), you're finding this awesome framework. After a few weeks you start using libraries, and you learn about the joke of having vulgar library names. Would that be a reason for you to quit using LÖVE? That doesn't make sense to me at all.

Edit: Yeah deleted what I said here first. Because sexism or something.

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Re: Gender survey thingy

Post by notencore » Thu Feb 06, 2014 11:56 pm

Jeeper wrote: Not necessarily. There have been countless amounts of studies that show that a good balanced mix of women and men is far superior to only men or only women.
Right and there's countless amounts of studies showing that tetris blocks have obtained sentience.
Trust me I don't have any sources but it's true.
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Re: Gender survey thingy

Post by ejmr » Fri Feb 07, 2014 5:57 am

Sheepolution wrote:Is it important for us to get as close to equal in gender in our community? If so, repeating Azhukar's question: Why?
Personally I feel like the computer science and programming fields would benefit from having more women involved. However, that is nothing more that my gut feeling. There’s nothing I can think of to cite or reference or to make my opinion anything more than exactly that: simply an opinion.
But even so, what could we do about it? Changing our library names? Come on. Imagine you're a women (or try to), you're finding this awesome framework. After a few weeks you start using libraries, and you learn about the joke of having vulgar library names. Would that be a reason for you to quit using LÖVE? That doesn't make sense to me at all.
While unrelated to library names, at last year’s Pycon (a Python conference) some women developers took issue with sexual jokes based around ‘forking’ and ‘dongles‘, which led to the ejection of two presenters. However great Python may be as a language or how useful the content of the presentation, it didn’t prevent some people from taking offense. So I find it easy to imagine someone dropping the technology for that reason. I suspect those people—regardless of gender—would be the minority. But anything with vulgar jokes is going to seriously offend somebdoy once it garners enough attention.
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Re: Gender survey thingy

Post by Azhukar » Fri Feb 07, 2014 7:36 am

ejmr wrote:However great Python may be as a language or how useful the content of the presentation, it didn’t prevent some people from taking offense.
They did not take offense with the python language, they took offense with the individuals making the jokes.

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Re: Gender survey thingy

Post by Plu » Fri Feb 07, 2014 8:49 am

To be honest, I'd much prefer the solution to be kicking out the people who take offense at these things over kicking out the people making the jokes. An open atmosphere is worth more than some smallminded people not having their sensibilities harmed.

(With the obvious exception of jokes being aimed specifically at certain people, which takes it from "I take offense" to "I'm being abused", which is never okay. It's just that some people don't seem to understand the difference.)

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Re: Gender survey thingy

Post by Robin » Fri Feb 07, 2014 9:17 am

Plu wrote:To be honest, I'd much prefer the solution to be kicking out the people who take offense at these things over kicking out the people making the jokes. An open atmosphere is worth more than some smallminded people not having their sensibilities harmed.

(With the obvious exception of jokes being aimed specifically at certain people, which takes it from "I take offense" to "I'm being abused", which is never okay. It's just that some people don't seem to understand the difference.)
Where do you draw the line, though? Because you can create a very hostile atmosphere for other people without being directly abusive. And such a "solution" would just end up enforcing and aggravating the status quo.
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