[Solved] Love.physics / box2d Weld Joint Failures after collision

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[Solved] Love.physics / box2d Weld Joint Failures after collision

Post by timmeh42 » Thu Nov 10, 2016 12:31 pm

The basics:
• I have a truss/beam thing of physics square bodies connected by weld joints.
• If the forces in a weljoint become too large, that weld joint is destroyed.
• This produces a fairly destructible object.

However, once a weld breaks from a collision, 'residual' forces seem to stay in the other welds of the remaining parts of the beam; and instead of dissipating, these forces seem to grow without any outside force acting on them, eventually tearing the parts apart once they reach the break threshold. Is this a problem with my implementation, or is it some box2d restriction?

In the .love example, forces in each joint are printed above the joints, so its easy to see what happens:
Note the pieces after collision break up after a while.
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Re: Love.physics / box2d Weld Joint Failures after collision

Post by pgimeno » Thu Nov 10, 2016 1:08 pm

It may not be an error. Welds are somewhat flexible, the object keeps shaking, if imperceptibly, and it's quite possible that the strain grows. Have you tried modelling the force via the distance instead? Welds should behave more or less like a spring, and break when the spring elongation is too big.

I've made a similar construction using [wiki]DistanceJoint[/wiki] instead, to model the connections of a slab on which another one falls, and graph the force on each slab. I varied the frequency (which is a weird way to specify a spring constant, by the way) and used the distance to model the breakage.

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Re: Love.physics / box2d Weld Joint Failures after collision

Post by timmeh42 » Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:04 pm

Even with restitution (angular and linear) which should stop all motion after a while, the forces still grow or stay constant instead of decreasing. I've tried using distance joints, but they are too loose (and dont collide properly for some reason), and rope joints are both too loose (at least in a single-width beam) and still suffer some residual force.

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Re: Love.physics / box2d Weld Joint Failures after collision

Post by pgimeno » Thu Nov 10, 2016 6:39 pm

My suggestion was to use distance between elements as an indicator of strain, rather than getReactionForce.

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Re: Love.physics / box2d Weld Joint Failures after collision

Post by timmeh42 » Thu Nov 10, 2016 8:23 pm

Ah, sorry i didn't catch that at first. Problem is I want my structure to be rigid, so any measurable distance would already be well past the breaking point.

Effectively like the example given here:
https://gamedevelopment.tutsplus.com/tu ... medev-2610
but with ships breaking into 2 pieces instead of having the broken-off bits just disintegrate as they do.

Separate bodies for each ship square seems to be the easiest for accurate breaking, since analysing the stress from multiple forces on a complex body would be fairly hard.

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Re: Love.physics / box2d Weld Joint Failures after collision

Post by raidho36 » Thu Nov 10, 2016 8:32 pm

And it is, and that's exactly what happens under the hood anyway. You may want to give a go to soft bodies (rigid bodies don't exist either way) and use separate graphics that may mimic rigid structure if you need that.

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Re: Love.physics / box2d Weld Joint Failures after collision

Post by pgimeno » Thu Nov 10, 2016 9:20 pm

Well, I've modified your loop as follows, and it seems quite convincing to me:

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    --for i=1, length do
    for i = 2, length do
        if blocks[i].jointTop:isDestroyed() == false then
            --fx, fy = blocks[i].jointTop:getReactionForce(1/dt)
            --forc = ((fx^2)+(fy^2))^0.5
            --if forc>8000 then
            --      blocks[i].jointTop:destroy()
            --end
            local x, y = blocks[i-1].body:getPosition()
            local x1, y1 = blocks[i].body:getPosition()
            x, y = x-x1, y-y1
            if math.sqrt(x*x+y*y) > 20.05 then -- or x*x+y*y > 402, if you want to save a square root
                blocks[i].jointTop:destroy()
            end
        end
Which is no surprise because strain is proportional to elongation, and weld joints behave as springs too (thus the frequency parameter), and they will break when the strain exceeds a threshold.

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Re: Love.physics / box2d Weld Joint Failures after collision

Post by timmeh42 » Thu Nov 10, 2016 9:48 pm

You're right, that does make sense, and I suppose if the joint force is simply based on distance then the behaviour between using distance vs force should be the same.

Why the residual forces exist in the first place doesn't matter anymore to me then, so thank you.

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